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Enjoy the past comments below for Mailing-list etiquette…
Dealers need all the help they can get, but the dealers who won’t tell the artist who bought their paintings, are to my mine not to be trusted with your list. Enjoyed the Harley Brown quote, many of my artist friends have been painting buddies of his.
Dear Robert, I guess I would fall into that category of “Carefully managed personal artists’ websites”. I didn’t do it because I had a falling out with a gallery. This is how I started out in this business over 25 years ago. When you don’t have a gallery representing you, you do what you can, make your own lists and market and promote the hell out of yourself. But this is often the “pipe dreams” of what being signed by a gallery is all about. Artists continue to believe that once you are signed by a gallery, the contract for fame and fortune kicks in. 90% of the money is made by 10% of the artists. I hear this a lot with fellow artists friends of mine who have exhibitions with a gallery. The FIRST thing a gallery wants from an artist is they’re mailing list. This happens BEFORE they get the art. Artists tell me that while their sales may have been good at their last show, it was their clientele who bought all the works. With the rents in Vancouver sky rocketing, galleries need to make sales. I always find it interesting how galleries set prices “Oh, New York wants this artist” they say…or “you better get this now as the artist is about to explode in the American Art market”…and finally, my persona favourite, “his cancer is no longer in remission, the time to buy is NOW!”. How pathetic! People should by what they love. And if that is done by a street artist in Santorini or a BIG Gun gallery in New York, it shouldn’t matter what is cost, what matters is if they love it. And yet, we continue to perpetuate to young artists that getting with a gallery is the ONLY way. If it looks to good to be true, it probably is.
Often, it is a one-way street with lists and galleries. They want your list but they don’t divulge who bought your works. Your list becomes part of theirs and they didn’t have to work for it! Artist’s mailing list rarely come from galleries – if at all. They are hard-won contacts made by the artist and galleries almost demand your list if you show with them. I fell for that at first but no more. The days have gone where artists of lesser station than the very best can have representation at a bundle of galleries. Galleries just don’t exist in the same numbers for this to happen unless you are at the very top and in demand. I think most artists would agree that web sales are pretty much in the realm of under $1000 or more realistically, under $500!
Once again, the onus is on the artist and not the gallery? It appears the gallery owner used the artist’s email address list as a commodity to be exploited because its potential was as marketable as selling her work. I guard my email addresses zealously and never give them out to anyone without asking their permission. Privacy is harder to keep these days than ever and I cherish mine. I’ve farmed email addresses before but they were from public websites. If asked to remove them from my mailing list, I did. I will not lift a personal contact without asking. We all would like to see more integrity within the art world and normally the sharks self eliminate. Some persist skirting ethics. Example, the oddest experience I’ve ever had in a gallery: we were in PA last month and wandered in a gallery. Out of the 150 paintings none had prices. We were forced to ask. The owner looked us up and down and quoted a price. Granted this was a tourist area but I had the distinct feeling if we were dressed more in our vacation grubbies we would have been quoted hundreds and not thousands. That man could not possibly have all those prices memorized and neither did he reference any list. I hoped I was mistaken and watched. Two more couples came in, “dressed down” as vacationers are want to do. They were given the same head-to-toe evaluation and were quoted hundreds – same artist, similar subject matter and quality, similar size and frame. We left and I came to the conclusion the artists had predetermined prices but the gallery owner threw out whatever he thought the market could bear. Had we bought the painting I have no doubt that artist got his meager portion and the gallery pocketed the rest. He proudly told us he had been in business twenty-three years. It makes me wonder how long the artists were able to persist with that arrangement.
The gallery has taken over her mailing list and it’s unethical to do so without prior agreement. High costs and business problems are only excuses. Once the show is over, I think she should insist on him removing her list members from his list. He may not do it, but at least she will have made the point to him that what he did was unacceptable. She could also email her list and explain what happened, so that they can request to be taken off the gallery’s list for the future. One of the things that is important when people sign up for a list, is to know that their name will not be passed on or sold to third parties. This gallery owner has harmed her credibility and reputation. And this should be a lesson to her, never to let someone else have her list.
Robert’s answer is somewhat correct, if you feel you must deal with galleries. Make your own invitation for your exhibit and email that to your own list. Any gallery that steals a list like this is purely dishonest, even if there is no agreement either way. I don’t deal with galleries any more for several reasons. The judgement of John Ferry (above) is right, I think, and he has said more about this elsewhere. I’m 80 and have been at this for 50+ years. Galleries were good once but for anyone younger than me I’m sure the various internet avenues are the current sales answer.
I agree with Mike Barr and John Ferrie that the age of galleries being the direct link to the art-appreciative public, is long gone. Checking out the website has replaced visiting the galleries. I find that, even clients that I’ve dealt with for years, are calling me with questions about something they saw on the website. I open my studio one day a week for anyone wanting to see something in person and this system is working well for me. I’ve been out of the gallery loop for years and these days there’s less and less reason to try and get back in. Sharon Cory Winnipeg
You mentioned real estate and autos–but another area that’s going through rationalization right now is stock investments. Stock salespeople (brokers) have traditionally maintained cushy paneled offices and commissions from both the companies they’re selling and the investors who buy them. Nowadays advice is online or by inexpensive subscription and online brokerage (buying and selling of stock) operates for a fraction of the cost of paneled offices. Inasmuch as art is an investment, it would be a lot better investment if commissions were lower.
Nick’s entry is interesting. I think that the parallel between galleries and stock brokers is valid. In both cases, only those that make big money out of it remain dedicated to the old concept. Everyone else will move to the readily available DYI approach. It may end up a good thing for all involved. Those that fail on both fronts will hopefully move on to something else.
I dont have a list of collectors because I dont sell directly and galleries dont give me buyers information. People who show interest in my art receive one annual greeting/update from me. Few times galleries asked all represented artists to forward their invitations to our lists and asked for ideas how to increase sales. My view is that being partners in business, each partner should be an expert in their own field. Not that either party wouldnt be able to offer a useful advice, but why introduce confusion? We need to focus on our own mastery and not worry what the other side is doing. This is my strategy, but I know that many artists are also superb sales experts and they may actively participate in gallery business efforts, or successfully do it all by themselves. Some dealers also make art!
In my experience, the sharing does go both ways.
I’ve been reading your newsletter for some years. It’s the only one I read and keep. Great work, thanks so much.
I just had a show with one of my galleries earlier this year and this is how I handled this situation. My gallery had requested a list of my contacts for them to contact OR they were happy to supply me with postcards and email announcements that I would send out myself, whichever I preferred. I explained that whenever someone signs up for my mailing list whether it be email or physical mail that I assure them that I will never sell or share their information and that is actually stated upfront. The gallery understands that this would be a horrible breach of trust if I broke this promise as they have probably made the same promise to their subscribers.
While I enjoyed reading this one as I always do, I think I must be misunderstanding what you are saying! “While business in most places is currently quite good,” When you say “business”, are you limiting it to just the Art business? If so, then I will take your word for it without any reservations.
I view my mailing list as one of the most valuable assets that I have in my business. I never have given out contact information of anyone who has signed up for my newsletters. I let people know that this is a policy that I will always stick to. As this has already happened with you, don’t make a big fuss about it. Your real collectors probably get mail often from all sorts of art galleries. Seeing your gallery’s name might entice them to revisit the gallery and end in a purchase of one of your paintings. Frequently when there are featured artists, galleries will still sell from their stable of artists even during opening receptions for the featured artist. To me, featuring one artist’s work is great for that artist, but it benefits the entire gallery, because it gets clients in the door! That is the key here, it is much better to have your gallery using your addresses then doing nothing at all, and just waiting for clients to come to them!
Seems like this is the kind of thing that should have been discussed at the time emails were given to the gallery. It doesnt seem fair to blame gallery management if the artist doesnt state limited use for the emails. If it were my show, Id probably WANT to email my own group with a personal note
Thank you for your last letter. My students and I are always trying to negotiate the path between intuitive and planned approach. For myself I play both sides, setting up a planned intuitive approach (colour, composition ) then see what happens. It is always fun but can be challenging for those new to the art adventure.
Unfortunately Shirley trusted her gallery and gave him her mailing list. Lesson learned, she should have put parameters on that trust, and said “only use this list this one time”. Or as you said, copied his invitation and done her own mail out. As an art dealer I once replied to an email sent by an artist’s contact and then (as the client’s email gets automatically added to my mailing list) emailed his client with an upcoming show. However, the contact let the artist know and he mentioned it to me, so I deleted it. It’s not in my best interest to have any friction between my artists and me, and it was unintentional to “take” his contact (someone he’d been doing business with for about 20 years and is loyal to him). It’s good karma not to poach others clients.
In our city there are six significant galleries and a few more not so good. One of the good ones, an upstart newcomer for about two years, quietly switched back from 50% to 40% a few months ago. Several top selling local artists have switched to her now and it looks like more are coming.
Commercial, brick and mortar galleries are either holding their own or declining. Auction houses, where commissions are a lot less, are on the rise.
High brokerage fees are slowly killing the brick and mortar brokerage business.
Artists who sell their own work are forever compelled to live in the bargain basement. I couldn’t have achieved the prices I get without the benefit of dealers. Even at 50/50 I still make more than the average artist who sells on his own.
Who are you anonymous, what is your art like, what are your prices and where are your galleries?
I don’t know about Australia, however, in Canada, what the dealer did is against the law. We have privacy laws that only allow commercial e-mails to go out to a permission-based list. In this case the artist has permission from the people on her list to e-mail them, however, the gallery does not. Permission is not magically passed on to someone who acquires the list. Legitimate businesses don’t build their lists by stealing other people’s lists. Not only is it against the law, it also shows that they are less than trustworthy (or ignorant of the most basic of business etiquette). A good gallery is worth its weight in gold, however, one who would steal my list would make me very wary. Cheers
I am presently in several galleries (a new twist for me) and one of them is doing all they can to market my work. This is a breath of fresh air to me. Galleries are not what they were and may never be again. The economy is such that they are struggling to make end meet as we artist also are. I don’t know about Canada, but in America, life is still a hardship for many and those with money are holding on to it. I just hope things get better before I pass on to that perfect studio in the sky.
I agree with most of what you said. My only comment to you would be, you seem to have been well connected to the gallery market for some time now. So it would seem that things could be and are different for those of us that have been doing this “art” business within the last 10 years. If one were to be in your shoes, selling well in galleries for quite sometime, there never would be any reason to do anything other than stay in your room and paint. But for the majority of us out here working in the fine art world, such is not the case.
Evening Surf oil painting by Don Demers, Eliot, Maine, USA |
Beautiful painting!