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I have never figured out why an “artistic personality” has to be difficult. It doesn’t cost a thing to be agreeable and there are enough contrary individuals in the arts. One can be confident without arrogance and we could all use a few smiles along the way. Sure, there are too many artists … but it isn’t anyone’s God given assignment to decide who should rise to the top or who should fall by the wayside. Natural attrition takes care of that. Neither is dismissing another artist going to help your career one bit. How does eliminating your competition make your work any better? I had the privilege of taking a weekend seminar with Daniel Greene years ago. If anyone has the right to be egotistical, Greene does. But, I’ve never met a finer gentleman or superb teacher. The value of a teacher is in wanting to impart knowledge, not devastate the student. If you’re in it for any other reason you shouldn’t teach. Instruction doesn’t “weaken” the young it helps them problem solve. Great teachers leave students with lasting impressions, not crushed ambition.
I guess when Mark Tobey was alive there was a smaller Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual available where Narcissistic Personality Disorder didn’t figure prominently as a diagnosis. Robert, where do you get your information from that you may conjecture Tobey could be labelled as an NPD? The proclivity to share and teach does not necessarily ensure one is free from narcissitic tendencies; in fact, it could be argued that many persons teach, not only to make money from the activity or to share knowledge but to gain acolytes for a specific way of making art. I think you called it “cloning” in some earlier posts.
My personal mantra on this has always been: “Teach the student how to use the materials, talk them through the process, but don’t guide their hand while creating the art.” :)
It seems pretty much that this guy was teaching those around him all along – to go ones own way, being true to oneself regardless of the ‘world’ – individualistic, determined, obsessive maybe, devoted, and an expression of giving it your all. He reminds me of my own sculpture tutor – a bit of a megalomaniac, was difficult and hard and though I hated him and thought him a lousy teacher, his work was strong and beautiful. He had character which is missing a lot these days. I’m not saying he was right or good – just a formidable force of human nature and I struggle even to this day to get him out of my mind. I stayed with him for 6 years. Angry I left, but he has always remained in my heart. He was passionate – he cared. Not for me, nor anyone, but art and nature.
I’m a big believer in the “me first” school of artistic success. As far as I can see, many of the really successful artists are like that. Michelangelo, Picasso, Cezanne, tons of artists who were so intensely focused on themselves and their work that they little time for others but went on to create masterpieces. I’m not like that and I’m not successful. Matter of fact, I think that anyone who wants to be super successful needs to be completely concerned about themselves and their work first. This is how you get to be successful. And have no other life worth speaking of. The husband or wife whose career is paramount while their relationship heads down the porcelain disposal unit are the prime example of people who put what they do for themselves before their relationships with others. It’s the price you have to pay for success and some people are quite willing to pay it. For me it’s a price too high and I think there’s more to life than being single focused.
Hi Richard, There are shades of gray. That’s why we are reading Bob Genn’s letters. He is reasonably successful and has a lovely family and many friends. I guess we are trying to learn how to do that. Best wishes!
it came as no surprise that Tobey’s paintings appear to have as much soul as a Brillo pad, given your description of his personality. Reminds me of an answer an art instructor I once had gave when asked, “Why is this artist’s work considered so noteworthy?”…”Because he was the first artist to do it that way”. Kennesaw, GA
I am a very happy individual playing many sports must have helped, but I am also an artist. I hope you like this words. The light that is given is the light that lives its brilliance. I don’t look for anything. I have too much from the world we live in. I only want to share my inspiration. I am still a baby.
It is interesting you mentioned Mark Tobey because about fifteen years ago I was commissioned to document some historical scenes from the Baha’i Faith when a client discovered that I’d spent my youth studying Art in the Middle East and India. Naturally I agreed but knew nothing about the subject except that everyone I met was very pleasant. At first I spent several months on each painting mostly on research and studying references but soon discovered it was almost like painting Persian miniatures with a western perspective. I’m constantly having to paint myself in and out of the painting so hopefully the finished result doesn’t look too overworked, a characteristic I noted you recently criticized in some paintings you viewed. I’m always determined to enjoy the painting process as I believe that’s what ultimately comes through to the viewer, whatever the image. There is a chance this subject matter will guarantee my work will have a certain longevity, which it otherwise might not necessarily have, which raises the question whether you, or any of your readers, have any opinion about narrative painting verses the pleasure of creating decorative art.
I am currently President of Watercolor West a Transparent Watercolor Society and I just received you book today and have skimmed through it. It looks very interesting. You were brought to my attention by a fellow painter, Joanna Mersereau a great watercolorist and designer. I do receive your twice a week letters but I was so excited to see that you had a book available I ordered it immediately. I am sure there are great things to be learned even though I am a watercolorists as well, I see you work primarily in acrylics. I think it is more about the philosophy than the medium.
I appreciated your piece on Tobey’s work. I live in Olympia, WA, a small town and the State Capital. A very large Mark Tobey painting hung in the State Library on campus and I studied it often. I felt he may have worked somewhat in the same vein as Jackson Pollack, however a closer look at Tobey’s painting revealed details and images from nature. Like most abstract works, just a glance never is enough. The artist has required the viewer to do more, become involved and to feel something.
I have done a few pieces that are reminiscent of Tobey’s style, I saw them as prospective designs (some of them ) as ideas for wallpaper design, but soon found out that wallpaper designer are not really that much in the market for prints, not that much, I thought I would at least get a send us a sample or something, got nothing.
If ANY instructor made me stare at oil slicks or textures on gas station walls, I would have thought them completely daft! This “Toby” did some really bad art and while their might have been some applause for earlier works, there certainly was no thunder for his later works. This is what really bothers me about a lot of artists, rather than rethinking their work and what they are communicating, they get pissed off at the world and slam everyone else. To be truly creative it to always be working beyond what you think you know. I looked at this guy’s work. It was like a bad comedian who is bombing on stage with bad jokes. This thing about “Toby” is he is just not that funny.
I am currently teaching at a college level art program and one of our team of teachers is like Mark Tobey. I am constantly running interference with the cruel non-constructive comments this guy gives these young aspiring artists. He spends most of the class time talking about his own achievements and refuses to do demos or show examples of what he is looking for because as he says You will only copy me and do it badly. The only hope the rest of us have is that the forms the students get at the end of the semester to do the teacher report card will keep his destructive attitude at bay.
There is some of Mark Tobey in most of us. I can feel him rising at times when I need to be left alone with my art. As the social part takes charge at other times, I get overwhelmed with the goodness and quantity of great stuff that friends artists do. So many lovely people and so little time to appreciate everything. And that when my internal Mark Tobey slaps me a few times, shakes me thoroughly, kicks me in my behind in the direction of my studio (yes, down the stairs) and slams the door shut. I am thankful to my Mark Tobey, he makes sure I stay on track with my work.
I can see what Mark Tobey was getting at, but it was an art of a personal vision, not easily understood and perhaps uncomfortable for many.
I have not liked your remark mentioned under Esoterica that Mark Tobey, Jackson Pollack and Mark Rothko were suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. So according to you all abstract painters and non-figurative artists suffer from such kind of disorders as they fail to explain their works. To me this only reflects your personal attitude of glorifying natural studies which you have been practicing from hill tops to sea from the last few decades.
I have seen his work in the Seattle Art Museum and it is a beautiful, spiritual experience to see the real deal because it does not photograph well.
I’ve been reading both of the books you sent me . . . slowly (a chapter or two at a time) . . . as is my way with reading . . . and I’m very impressed – firstly with your generosity of spirit, and secondly with the valuable information you’ve made available. I’ve already begun to share some of the information with my students.
have you seen the interview with George Stroumboulopoulos on the Mark Rothko film coming up? It is called RED. Quite interesting in that Rothko telling his young protege about the piece he is painting. He speaks in such a vigorous manner and the kid thinks he is angry. He says it is not anger, it is passion.
This was a funny piece. I looked up Mark Tobey’s work to see what you were going to talk about and was appalled by his stuff. So it was with a good deal of relief that I read your backhanded compliments toward this guy. I just wish I had more of his “me-first”-ism and would get back to work on my art. Thanks for the article.
I am painter talking from first impression, his art speaks for itself; Tobey is the only American master that I recognize. the only ‘local’ painter who will join the great masters of the past , and i mean the world masters, not the American masters…whatever that means.
Thank you Robert. I love your insight. I have known a few NPD’s during my artistic career, it is a wonder I am not scarred for life. Remarkably, NPD-ism transfers right on over to the Art History field too. Thank you. Some of your best letters come at times when life is really stinky.
I know that personality type well. I was married to such a character. Not so much fun. Which is why perhaps, I never repeated that experience.
It’s great to see the responses are getting shorter. I love reading them but I don’t do the long ones.
“The root of all religions, from the Bahai point of view, is based on the theory that man will gradually come to understand the unity of the world and the oneness of mankind. It teaches that all the prophets are one – that science and religion are the two great powers which must be balanced if man is to become mature. I feel my work has been influenced by these beliefs. I’ve tried to decentralize and interpenetrate so that all parts of a painting are of related value… Mine are the Orient, the Occident, science, religion, cities, space, and writing a picture.” (Mark Tobey, 1934)
I am surprised at the justification of a negative temperment just because the bearer is an artist. We wouldn’t tolerate such hostility in the other professions we interact with. Bewildering.
Poor, poor Mark Tobey. He never saw the light go on in some young artist’s eye, put there through his own prompting illustration. He never felt the joy of sharing what he valued most. And, saddest of all, he never realized that teaching art can be a potent force for artistic self growth. Self-absorption may have its benefits, but more likely it limits the creative spirit.
Dear Robert, I may only be 48 years old, but I have learned one valuable lesson, “Never fear your Competition!”. This guy is a Putz, never liking anything, never encouraging anything. And if ANY instructor made me stare at oil slicks or textures on gas station walls, I would have thought them completely daft! This “Toby” did some really bad art and while their might have been some applause for earlier works, there certainly was no thunder for his later works. This is what really bothers me about a lot of artists, rather than rethinking their work and what they are communicating, they get pissed off at the world and slam everyone else. To be truly creative it to always be working beyond what you think you know. I looked at this guys work. It was like a bad comedian who is bombing on stage with bad jokes. This thing about “Toby” is he is just not that funny. Always, John
As a young art student at the PAFA in the late 60’s and not appreciative of “Intellectual” art I was taken aback when entering a show of Mark Tobeys’ at Peale House gallery. The electric energy emanating from his work sent me through the roof. I had a difficult time dragging myself away. His paintings are energy fields which speak and pull you in. They are vibrational glimpses of time, art in its highest form, not pictures. . Your commentators on this blog should take the time to experience this esteemed artists work in person. NPD abounds right here
Virginia Wieringa – you haven’t met my mother in law, but think mother in laws in general…
I think that a large majority of people in the greater North American society suffer from problems that might fit under the umbrella of NPD. Think how many you know who believe that all opinions are created equal — the uniformed on the same level as the informed. Think how many people live a public life capsulized in sound bites — regurgitating their philosophies and (usually strident, if not angry, but certainly unequivocal) cliches. Think of the people who believe that reality is consistent with their personal view of it. There’s a lot of strife out there, and it’s obviously not limited to the internal life of poets and painters. I like the ideas that all things are connected, that all things change, and that we should pay attention (certainly before we bag off or backhand our fellows on the basis of incomplete awareness).
I think your dream is coming true. It seems we are leaving the age of reason and entering a new age….maybe the age of intuition, or mysticism. You are leading the way. I thank you.