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Thanks for this affirmation. I have more than a few paintings to which I now want to make some fixes. I am always pleased that some that I think deserved some help have already pleased a buyer well enough to go home with them. Yet of the ones I still have I am seeing numerous areas where an adjustment will make a positive difference. I am often nervous about tackling this. How do you remove the varnish Robert?
I don’t re-tread, I re-build. I keep the old one for reference and start a new one entirely. I’m able to change the composition if needed, nothing is too dark or thick to paint over — I cannot abide that ‘painted-over’ line of paint showing up through the top layer. If I don’t get a winner after that many tries it goes into the bin and I get on with a new one. Some paintings seem to paint themselves, some will only fight you, and most are somewhere in between.
verna marie..awesome work
Robert — A lady in our art group has started coating watercolors with mat medium and painting on them in acrylic, with amazing results. This is one way you can rework watercolors.
Sadly, my oils reject being reworked. Generally it’s a major flaw in composition that does me in. Usually I just recoat them and do a different painting on top.Sorry Robert, but this particular retread is different, but no better than the original. The first has no character and the second has too much. It’s gaudy and too dark. Suggestion: keep the sky change, lighten the building and the road, gray the overly gaaareen ground some and you’ll be OK.
I’m a watercolor painter, and re-using old paintings is something I do often. I like to work in mixed media — semi-abstract landscapes. What do I do with old paintings? Scrub out colors, add gesso to areas, build up layers with colored pencils or pastels, cut or tear areas and rearrange pieces to make collages…
If you rework an older painting, can you consider it a new painting for submissions to competitions?
Boy, the topic of this letter really hit home with me. I seldom stay “in love” with my art renderings. I’m amazed at how I find flaws with paintings that I originally believed to be rather decent and worthy of sharing with the world. On the side of rework, I definitely think it’s worth the effort; however, one must be willing to part with the possible failure that certainly could result. Thanks, Robert, for the wonderful free advice that is constantly packed with encouragement and new ways to increase personal creativity.
I redo my paintings all the time. Some of them do growl, but others sit up and beg to be redone. Hopefully, the redo makes them all more fetching. So, does that make me a perfectionist, like you wrote about a few letters back? If so, I willingly accept my plight. It’s better than chasing my tail.
Austin TX USAI was looking at one of my older paintings (Oil) which I really like but can stand some corrections to give it more light. I was hinking of writing to you this morning. Talk about telepathy!
I paint mostly in acrylics on paper and I love recycling/reworking old failed paintings. Unlike Robert’s example, I tend to completely change the subject matter so that very little of the old painting is recognizable. Best example of this was an old self portrait I did in 1991 on 300 lb wc paper; 15 years later, I fished it out, turned it upside down and turned the head into a colorful pear! It was accepted into a juried Art About Agriculture show here in Oregon. I’m a big believer in reworking!
Bravo! I always love it when a “retread” heads off to a new gallery and then sells. It is like found money when a painting that has been kicking around in the studio or closet finds a happy home.
i love the before and after of you painting that you glazed with Phthalo blue; I think the change was powerful and unified the terrific little landscape. I am having a show on 23rd st and 9th ave in a cafe starting April 23rd and running for three months. A friend of mine said, Pog you have to go to galleries. I said no I don’t. I am very excited. I will take invitations around to galleries since it is the major gallery area in the city. The paintings are all oil on canvas.
Please tell me what the problem is with re-working oils.
I have done it many times. Generally, I cover my error with an opaque pigment, and the correction begins. Sometimes, all I need to do is glaze over, as Robert illustrated. I didn’t know it was hard.I had just sent this response to a buddy yesterday:
Busy creating stuff. I am REPAINTING right over the old images on canvasses. For example I have a lovely landscape view of Waterton Lake right over the top of an old lady dressed in Klondike clothes, seated on a chair, with plant and mirror at the side giving the composition a double image. I set the Prince of Wales Hotel right on top of her head. She has trees growing on her feet. The mirror has become a mountain. FUN! It makes me chuckle inside as I paint. . . Here. . . take that. . . Klondike hat! from THE MAD HATTER.Your statement, “Oils are a bit tougher to fool with and watercolours even more so.” is correct but I would have said ” … and watercolors should be left alone less they loose their freshness.” Having said that, I must admit that I have “corrected” a few “commissioned” pieces where some element did not satisfy the client. In every case I swore once returned to the client that I would never do another commissioned piece in watercolor again if I felt the client would ask me for adjustments. Briefly, any adjustments in watercolor, at least the way I work, is HELL.
Montreal, QuebecKnowing that you can always “come back” is dangerous to alla prima quality. Artists need to think things out so works are as close to fully realized as possible on the first pass. Early laziness generates substandard retreads.
UKMy retread story: I had done a successful little (8 x 10) pastel of an arroyo, and decided to do a much larger version. Framed it. After a couple of years, I decided I didnt like it and made substantial changes to the sky, shifting the lighting and the colors to be more dusky. Framed it. After another couple of years, I decided I didnt like it. This time I went after the middle ground. Eventually, the painting lost its middle ground and foreground and background and changed moods and colors completely. Oh, and it was cut back to 10 x 14 from 16 x 20. Framed it. Sold this one, to a couple who are both artists. Moral: Pastel may seem fragile, but you can keep fooling around with it until you get it right.
New MexicoI like to glaze over the entire painting with a transparent pigment like Red Iron Oxide. Sometimes I thin out gesso and put a “gesso Float” on the surface. Then I react to the image as it now appears. Sometimes I’ll collage paper or fabric over the old image and then rework it.
There are times that I add more detail, other times I remove detail. I also have moved mountains and trees to strengthen the composition. Its about the idea of deconstruction and then reconstruction. Of letting all of the painting go-even those little bits that previously pleased you. After wrecking a painting its interesting to see where you can push it. When I teach painting classes to people, I always tell them that sometimes a painting has to go through an ugly duckling stage. Without that stage the painting can’t achieve what it needs to. And of course there are those paintings that I can’t stand and get a new lease on life with a thick coat of gesso. That also feels good.Genn’s rule of never have all three primaries on one canvas must be a hard road to walk; especially in the daylight.
I paint in pastel and watercolor. Watercolors can be tricky at times and I found that the best way to resurrect a bad watercolor is to use it as an underpainting for pastels. I either touch it up with pastels or I paint over it with a clear pastel ground to add grit and use the watercolor as the underpainting…a bad pastel can be scrubbed out, or if you use Ampersand pastelbord, you can wash it off, hehehe. Been there and done that.
I love retreads. Because my work relies heavily on texture I can change an piece completely while still utilizing the initial image. Just today I finished a piece that has mocked me for about eight months from the wall of my studio. It’s fun to see how things evolve!
About earlier paintings, I just do another version, that way I have a comparison. I am a big Georgio Morandi fan. I like his idea of working in series. I adopted the method of working in series long ago. This way I never run out of subjects to paint.
I am rarely completely satisfied with my work. I have one favorite I reworked twenty years later, much to its improvement (oil). Im almost embarrassed with its first birthing. There are times you look back at a piece and wonder, Why didnt I see that when I painted it? and wish you could get a hold of it again. Sometimes a simple wash will correct a value. Other times, major repainting is necessary. If you have grown in expertise, why not rework a painting? What is so sacred about leaving a mediocre painting as is?
Robert, your before and after are two extremes in contrast. I think I would have preferred a middle ground.That is why I LOVE pastels! I can un-frame one that I did twenty years ago and rework it.
Curator, Signatures Gallery, Brookings ORI belong to a painter’s group, we meet over a day, once a week……it’s a fabulous way to get support, and to get help when things are tricky. But recently, there was suggestion to bring our “dogs”, paintings we didn’t like or had a problem for some reason, and we would rework them! It was fun to see what came out of the reworked piece. Often an abstract which left a small portion of the original……..and we didn’t do our own! It was a fun way to pass the time, and to see something morph into something else…….
I have a unique situation. i was just about to complete my first oil painting on canvas several years ago when my brother was killed in a car accident. I have not painted nor touched that painting since. I now want to finish it. Can anyone give me tips on how to go back to it…do I wash it first, and how, and will there be any problem of just picking up where I left off? I know my brother will be there with me….encouraging me all the way. I’m ready for my therapy…..painting…thanks.
Sometimes reworking is a mistake. Years ago I did a painting of a local light house which is attached to a keeper’s residence, the whole dating back to the 1870’s. The major difference was that I replaced the light tower itself with the image of a wooden match stick. I called it something like, Single Use Light House. Among the few people who saw the work, it was not highly regarded, so I put it aside. Later, I took a photograph of the SULH, and then repainted the work, replaceing the match stick with the original light house. The picture found a home. But at the remove of twenty years, one of my most prized possessions is the small photograph of the SULH. I should have held the painting for twenty years, and it’s likely that I would not have repainted it.
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“Turtles” = slow movers – I love it! So much more evocative than “duds”. May I borrow the term?