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Dear Robert, While we all wish we could be these Zen masters and wish everyone Kum-ba-ya and go forth and multiply their works in silence, this is not the reality. I have just come off my most successful show of my career. Anyone who knows me, will say I am not shy. To many, I am an absurd man who has not followed the conventional path my family would have wanted for me. Instead, I have sacrificed my life to being a painter. I could not find a gallery that would carry my work. Through necessity, did my own marketing, promotions, press releases and general drum pounding. I knew I had a voice to my work, but nobody was going to know this unless I followed through with talking about it. People are savvy buyers these days and left to their own devices will not buy anything. You have to sell the works. Now, I also sell like I don’t need the money. But Ill sell you one secret, I DO need the money. When talking about my work, it’s not like you explain what it means or what people should understand. But to tell them about your motivation, why some parts are bursting with colour and what I was experiencing when those colourful parts happen is exactly what clients want to hear. We have all sat there listening to some artist hack go on and on about the concept behind their works when the execution is less than desirable. But when you have the heads nodding and people respond my parting with their hard earned money, the circle of why we are artists becomes complete. Yes, the work should speak for itself and we should all be doing good quality work…but at the end of the day, you have to sell your work to see it on the walls of someone home other than your own. John Ferrie
I used to think that talking about what I planned to create was a good way to make sure I didn’t find too many ways to “not make art” like not enough time, too sunny, too cloudy, you know how it goes. But what I found was that talking about what I was going to paint didn’t hold me accountable to actually make it, because people love to talk about making art and how I’m going to make art and what ideas I have to make art…and then more talking, less creating! Now, I jot down the notes for what I’d like to create. Then I make it. Or not. But I don’t talk/blog about it until after I’ve made it. Funnily enough, I end up creating a lot more than I used to.
For the most part, artists are introverts. With that said, they don’t spend much time talking about their work but just do the work. Then there are the extroverts who feel that their work is not complete without expressing verbally how they were able to attain their mastery of the medium. Self expression can help promote your work but I don’t think you should be boorish doing it.
I am so grateful that you wrote about this since, I have found the same thing to be true, both for myself and for other artists I know. The talkers never seem to do and the doers never seem to talk. I actually feel squeamish when I talk about a work in progress or about to be birthed at the easel. I’ve learned to listen to my gut and be silent and it has worked out beautifully. I do create more now that I’m not talking about it and the work proceeds in a wordless way toward it’s completion. It is what it is at the end of the day and my work gradually becomes more of what I would desire it to be as silent easel time passes. In the end, it is authentically mine and I learn from the art itself what direction to move toward in future works. Each work lending itself to the next in a ribbon of experience. Brenda
Profound and I would say one could apply this idea to all aspects of work or worship. Monks have been doing it for hundreds of years if not a couple of thousand. When one does this then you are free of dialog and excuses. You become open to truth,creation, and love.
Robert this is my favorite of all the posts you’ve written, hitting a big nail squarely on its head. Good for you!
Robert and John–you’re talking about different things and are both right. There’s the talking before the painting is done, and the talking (it up) after it’s completed. I so agree that putting burgeoning ideas for visual work into language isn’t a good idea. A writer I knew once suggested I write a paragraph or page about the painting I was about to embark on to clarify my thoughts. Much as I love to write, it was a disaster. Not only did writing dilute the energy, but I was talking in a foreign language–words rather than images. I found I had to let the canvas tell me how to proceed slowly rather than have an agenda in advance of the process. Afterwards is a completely different story. That’s when you must be the talky sales(wo)man. Wish, like so many artists, I were better at it! ps–after Robert published my comment in the clickback last week re having your own website, the hits on mine spiked up more than tenfold! Sure are a lot of people reading The Painter’s Keys!
Amens
Thank you for discussing this issue… and I do believe it is an issue with some artists. I am an extrovert and put myself and thoughts out there for all to see. I was one of those that talks and tells my plans. Sometimes those plans happen and sometimes another opportunity jumps in front of it and it gets pushed further into the future. I have had artist friends actually jump on what I had planned and do it first. That makes me not do it because it will no longer be original and it will be perceived as my copying that artist. And, it has the effect of taking the “wind out of the sails” so to speak! This is something we need to be aware of happening. It could be a new slight change in style, it could be a marketing idea, any number of things. So, I am trying to keep my own counsel more and just do the work. Thanks for putting this in print, and reinforcing my resolve!
This creates an ‘ah ha’ moment for me. I get these often during Bible study…and it is just as profound now as I read this. You have nailed it, Robert, and your comments have produced clarity; I find that in the past I have spoken (with enthusiasm) of a painting I’m ready to begin or have already begun, when those I’m talking to jump in and offer, with absolute certainty, that I must do this or that, or it needs more of something. Those comments can throw doubt on the rest of the work…those words keep creeping up…and I can lose my own enthusiasm. So I have begun to keep it to myself. This letter confirms that that is a good way to go. Too bad in a way, because people really do love to jump in and hash it out…with much gusto.
Profound observation today, Robert. Some people spend a lot of time thinking about, and talking about, what they’re going to do. Not so much time actually doing it. For some, it’s more about the thinking and the talking, than it is about the doing. I guess they’re dreamers, living in the ‘wishing world’, not the actual one. So the lesson here is, stop thinking (and talking) your grandiose plans, just get down to it and start, and actually do something.
I remember when I was a kid that there was a neighbor who would do “coffee break” rounds all day, visiting all the neighbors and talking how busy she was and all that she has to do today. Everyone could hardy wait for her to leave so that we could carry on with our work, while she would move to the next victim. In those old days children could learn many good lessons by just observing our community. One learned about the talkers and doers real quick. Too bad that nowadays children spend most of their time being driven in cars from one event to another, without cohesion of a unified community.
Although I respect the ideals you shared in this letter about quietly getting down to work, it seems in some way to devalue the extrovert. Being one myself, the social stuff is what makes me get out of bed in the morning, and charges my batteries to do good work. I think it might be a matter of balancing the two.
Talking about doing my art, blah, blah, feels like I’ve as good as done it. It lets out the excitement and motivation like a leaky balloon. Procrastinators are easily spotted and are not taken seriously. When the painting is in the process the wonderful inner spirit of the painting carries you on to the ta da finish and is immensely fulfilling but is it is diffused along the way. The finish of the painting is deflated.
I’m saying nothing.
It’s an unnecessary and spurious dichotomy. Some become arid when they expose too much, others, I being one, become energized. I started writing a novel in December 2010, talk about it to anyone who will listen, and am addicted to writing. I write at least seven hours a day. I am now on my third revision, which will be complete in a month. Yakking certainly hasn’t slowed me down. Get ready to read “THE CROWS ARE WATCHING.”
So true! I would elaborate, but I am going to shut up and get to work.
Good for you for saying this, Robert! I know this from my own experience, and, the more I shut up and work, the more I attract people who want to TALK ABOUT the art they are going to do. I continue to discover new ducking techniques, otherwise I would just be exhausted by all my energy being sucked out of me.
Extroverts need everyone else’s attention and energy – run!
It is so much easier to talk about what you want to do, are going to do, plan to do–than to actually do it. The words one speaks are ephemeral, and don’t sit in plain view for all to judge. As a perfectionist, I found it very difficult to take up the brush, then see what the unskilled hand and mind delivered. Before actually beginning the journey of painting I bought books, brushes, paints and easels, terribly afraid to begin. Perhaps my journey is life’s big joke, because I didn’t begin until I was in my mid-sixties. It is thanks to your “twice-weekly letters” and other artists that I find the journey mostly pleasurable and rewarding.
Along with my painting I also serve at our retreat (based on Christian Mysticism) by giving occasional Sunday talks. Your bi-weekly missives not only feed my artistic zeal but often supply me with delightful and thought provoking quotes. And sometimes I share your thoughts with my wife that she may better understand the curious ways of one possessed by the artist-complex. Yours is a great service.
I find this particularly relevant during this era of social media, it has taken me many years to realize that exposing my process might not be the best thing for its development. I still make the same type of blog posts as I used to, but they are private; a virtual journal to complement my physical ones. What I take away from this letter is perhaps the need to go one step further: a little more internal contemplation, a little less external anticipation might be more fruitful.
Yesterday I heard…”To move forward, be still”. I love the synchronicity that often happens with your musings and my life. The radio is ON! We’re listening!
I do not like to talk about my work to people as I agree with you that it dilutes the process. Actually I feel rather silly telling people that I am in fact an artist. There is the usual round of questions about the work, what kind is it, do you have a gallery- no (always embarrassing) .I find describing my work difficult. I became an artist to describe my life and I find words cannot compete. That said, I suffer from procrastination and laziness. I pay a model quite dearly to show up and I have to paint- like it or not. Figurative painting can be very difficult and I find there are times I am frustrated by my clumsiness. However- today she had an emergency and could not come. I now find myself dragging about. This letter is a good kick in the butt! The background does need a lot of work!
With my studio being a more public than private I am struggling with trying to create an area defined as mine and mine alone. My most recent work is something I am not just taking pleasure in, but something that is drawing a fair amount of attention. This attention is premature. When I have work that I am not ready to share, that I AM being quiet about, it’s the onlookers that can’t be quiet. Too many questions, too anxious to try what I am still perfecting..Thus the premature end of mystique.
” Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.” Proverbs 17:28 NIV
This is EXACTLY what I needed to hear today. I am a vocal processor. I talk about everything, I like feedback and opinions and I often regret opening my trap. You are absolutely right about looking within, I am constantly working on being more self-referral.
We have a proverb here in Africa, “Talking about pumpkins, does not make them grow.”
The registrar that criticized your work and gossiped about you with others is also wasting a lot of precious energy that could be used in nurturing something…..anything. I have to look at the time I have used in gossip or criticism that was hurtful. All gossip is hurtful. The only criticism that is helpful is when whatever is being criticized, can be changed in 10 minutes. Thanks for your heartfelt letters. I have met several experienced artists that barely talk. No wonder.
Painters paint and Writers write Silence is strength and Pure Love~! Amen~…..
Seems like as good a time as any to quote King Solomon: “When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise.” (Proverbs 10:19) I could say more, but perhaps I shall practice what I preach, for once.
This letter really made me aware of myself. I think you have been watching me!!
“Silent Sam” as in the statue..or as in Ramirez, from the movie? lol
I just love your weekly letters, this one especially. It strikes close to home. Not only am I a poverty stricken art student but I always seem to talk a great deal more than I’m actually doing. This email allows me to examine that in a different way. Thank you for that!
Truly and beautifully “spoken” ! I hang on to every word and sentence, and say ‘Yea, yep, true, yes, yeh, aye, sí, sî et mais oui, c’est comme ça ! And have nothing more to add. Thank you for all the thoughtful provocations. Groningen, Netherlands
I’ve noticed this phenomena repeatedly occurring in my life , and know that if i REALLY want to do something i’d better keep my mouth shut … or else ! moreover , if i want something to happen that is in the control of “others” , then i’d better not even think about it !
Robert, your letter is the best! Thanks for the excellent advice.
I just wanted to thank you for this post. It really struck home with me. And I guess it also applies to writing talking and writing about what you are going to do can make the doing itself irrelevant. So enough writing! Cumbria, UK
I was hauled into the principal’s office two weeks ago for talking too much in class. Thanks for this.
I have always known that talking about an idea can ruin it completely. I have upset people by refusing to discuss my work. But where you can really fall in a hole is if you wish to apply for a grant.. you must be able to discuss in excruciating extent your ideas and hopes for your work. This is why people who get grants may be very good talkers and less good artists. But many grant recipients are not in it to become better artists, but rather to further their careers. And when you can’t paint, or sculpt, then you become perfect as a grant recipient, from what i see.
I found out a long time ago that if I talk about a painting before starting on it, I usually never start on it. It’s like the creative head of steam that builds up in my head when the image comes to me escapes through my mouth. An image expressed in words my be a poem, but most likely it will never be a painting. So now I don’t talk about it until I’m too far into it to back out. And even then it’s a good idea to keep quiet about it, especially after it’s finished. If a work of art has any power for a viewer it’s because it’s tapping into his or her own experiences and feelings, and the artist’s yammerings about it can break that connection.
Robert- I’ll add my drop of (heartfelt) praise into the vast ocean of awe that others have already expressed. Maybe some day I can even share more of your art philosophies over a dram (or several) of single malt with you in person. Hell, I can dream, right? Thanks again for your constant inspiration and reality-checks.
The only voice anyone needs to hear is the one coming from the painting.
John Ferrie, first of all, you sound like one great, fun person! I wish I had your nerve, drive, and at least some of your sales abilities. I also wish you would consider giving workshops/seminars/webinars on promoting one’s artwork.
I’m going to post this note on my wall so I stop talking about it and do it. Sometimes I feel I have to talk about it because I can’t get to my painting so talking seems to be the next best thing. I have a family with one of three children left at home and often have to postpone my painting to do things for them. It makes my skin hurt when I cannot paint. I want to create so many paintings and do so much it’s like bubbling over. But, with your note I’m going to try to keep it all to myself and when my brush does hit the canvas, it will be interesting to see if anything different emerges. Thank you for this new curve in the development in my creative thought process.
This one really hit home, and helped to explain why I have often found that if something really mattered to me, I was better to keep it to myself. It has often seemed that the great inspirations I have exposed too soon were never created. Now I have a reason why.
Now you’re talking! I agree that your catharsis was really a bliss in disguise. Can you imagine you’d be an unproductive artist full of hot airs… lol. That is one of the many problems critics are subjected, verbal upmanship? I mean the contorted descriptions of artists’ styles & techniques & the jibberishesque turn of sentences are prize-winners of their own. I don’t know of a single critic in the history of art that is also a known artist. I better go back to doing.
Thank You! I am in need to these words. A friend pointed to a very small placard for sale at the Mississippi State Craft Museum,saying, ” Claire, This is for you.”. Never allow your ability to annoy exceed your value as entertainment. I send to you my appreciation for your own art and for your value as teacher!
I saw the Norman Rockwell exhibit for the first time this weekend and was amazed by his work. I also enjoyed your 24 tips for artists that you shared at the jurors lecture Robert. As always your words of wisdom were so appreciated and inspirational. It was a pleasure to meet you.
As I look back on my own painting , and writing experience I see the truth in all of these quotes. OK.Ok I am do……………….shhhhhh
Talking and not doing is different from a judicious bit of sharing with another artist, which can fuel enthusiasm and help actually get things done. To an extent, when telling another artist what I envision doing, I’m making a verbal contract with myself, with my friend as witness. So it helps with commitment.
Well, I have often said, “if the mouth is moving, the brush is not”. That said, the only place I could paint and talk was in East L.A. at Self Help Graphics and Art, where the vibe was casual and the art is always lively. Never could tolerate anybody talking at golf, either.
Inside every talker is a person in fear; someone not wanting to start for fear of failure.You can’t tell a talker to stop talking and just do it because they are too busy talking. Their mind is filled with rebuttal. Talking is the foil for procrastination. There are several reasons for talking about doing things – your either afraid of it, don’t know what to do or you are really not interested in doing it. It’s easier to fail than succeed. When you expect little of youself, you get–very little. If we consider the fact of wanting to take a leap of faith into work, all talking stops and is replaced by action; a person bent on getting it done. They wait for no one and the air is filled with silent energy. They dig in while their brain is on fire with inspiration and purpose. Even if one stops working it should be followed with “thinking” not talking. Talking dissipates energy, like a tire losing air.
I’m so glad to finally see it in writing. I have often felt this, thought this but never put it down or into action. I am a “talker” and a “helper” and a class clown at times, but I have found that I do best when i am quiet, and I more often complete my projects when it is just “mine”. Thank you for bringing this home to me.
Night stroll acrylic painting, 20 x 24 inches by Christa Krisman, Revelstoke, BC, Canada |
I see that you are magical with both word and brush! Nice!