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“Priests project power points” Alliteration worthy of inclusion in a sermon ……. Regards Malcolm
Any projector I tried in the $200 range was terrible for projecting further than 5 feet back. And the room had to be pitch black. I will invest in a good one when I get my next big mural commission. In the meantime, I grid out my drawing, and then draw the grid on the wall, and paint, square by square. Good luck with your project.
Instead of taking slides with a conventional camera, I’d recommend taking digital photos and having them made into slides. There are online services that can do this for you. You might even have a camera shop in your area that can do it. The advantage is obvious: You know in advance which photos will make the best slides, and you can crop the photo on your computer to take best advantage of the available space on the slide. When you shoot regular film, you have no idea how it will turn out until it’s back from the developer. The other advantage of digital photo files that you convert to slides is that you can make grayscale photos to detect how well your values play against each other. In some photoediting programs you can also convert your photo to a line drawing, which might make scaling the picture a bit easier and allow for quick work in laying in your lines for a large drawing. Debbie is correct about the need for darkness when using most opaque projectors, but I’ve seen some (Artograph, for example) that can project quite a distance with great clarity if you use a crisply defined image as your source. Electronic projectors overcome the need for darkness to a great extent, though I have no idea how well they work in brightly lit areas. I guess the same applies to conventional 35mm slide projectors. Good luck to you.
Shaun, I presume you’ll be on the Greek part of Cyprus – if you need electrical equipment, it will be equivalent to the British system so you may need adapters for Swiss gadgets. All electrical goods are imported into Cyprus and are expensive. I would make sure that rental is available before you get there, since I doubt it for your specific requirements. Most priests are very poor in Cyprus, especially in Abbeys and I would doubt that they would have the equipment you need so check it out before you go. You may want to google some Cypriot artists and see if they could help you with your needs. Good luck. Susan Furze
Morning Robert, this is a subject I spend and have spent a lot of time with. Through the 70s to 90s I was an independent vendor doing some illustrated billboards on the coastline of the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to Texas as well as other projects as they presented their self. Now I make most of my sustenance money from public and some private murals. There was a time I used a 1000 watt projector early on but that keystoning you refer to in your letter was/is a big problem plus there were many situations when it just had to be drawn from either too much size or brightness. So I learned that copying creates a slavish looking image at least in my mind and since I keep getting calls apparently some other folks enjoy the enhanced expressive capacity of just drawing and painting the darn image. There is a process I feel is most important that is not present when I used projection anyway. That is my getting more deeply connected empathetically with the work and getting my noggin to more fully wrap itself around the image in what I guess is an intuitive way … my being able to more correctly sense when something was off while up close and personal. I have used many pounce patterns in old days before computers came to destroy the sign art trade but see their usefulness just in making reproductions of the same image no matter what Old Mike did. I like the energy contained in a sketch and find that the closer I am to the first time through with a piece the more it speaks (for me at least). So many decades ago I gave away that old projector and now I just grid and loft the small work or its reference parts with that old trusty tri-scale ruler. I am doing one now that is 33ft by 58ft from an 18 by 24 inch painting and my trusty Staedtler-Mars Architect ruler. One of the main joys is to be up there on the scaffold really painting and not just doing some laborious copying or being just another soft tissue pantograph. In fact I need to go get on that wall this morning so thanks for your letter and its focusing my energys this fine am. oh yeah forgot to mention that a great little helper while way up there is the modern DSLR since it takes a picture and lets you look at it small without having to climb down and take a look see. It still pays off to climb down every now and then but the digital camera saves a lot of climbing and shows stuff that is wrong rather easily.
I have done one mural. I painted to scale (2×4′), followed by a high resolution digital scan. A local printer made four panels, which overlapped slightly. I was surprised at the quality: no dots on a finished product that measures 8×16 feet. Biased as I may be, I found it beautiful. Costs are much less than painting 8×16 feet at $1 per square inch.
If you need a brighter image on a modest budget try using two projectors. The images may not match perfectly across the entire image but by keeping the projectors as close to each other as possible and carefully matching images in your work area you can double image brightness and gain a level of redundancy without trashing your budget. Note that if the optics are fairly close you should be okay even with different projector brands – and always carry at least one more copy of the image than you could possibly need! Good Luck
Is this a joke? Maybe plain walls with a fresh coat of paint would be a better idea.
“Priests project power points” Alliteration worthy of inclusion in a sermon.
I have seen how the Greeks do it. And have talked with the artists, here’s a summary: An art studio based in Athens does this on a professional basis. A survey is made, paper templates are cut. [lots of scaffolding involved]walls, domes, barreled ceilings etc. They take them back to the studio. They cut out the shapes on fine canvas, make the paintings AND go back and stick them in place. Make the touch-ups to cover the joints etc. Finishing with a coat of varnish.
I read the title and was thinking in an entirely different vein – that is, artists who project an image, say a photograph, and then draw it out on their surface. I know some people who do this and I have very mixed but mostly negative feelings about this. I feel it is cheating the public and misrepresenting their talent – even though they “paint it in” themselves.
The simplest way is to copy the image onto acetate and use an overhead projector.
I was wondering about the slide projectors. Would the electrical current be different in Cyprus, even the fittings on bulbs seem to vary from country to country.
You are planning to paint murals in an ancient abbey. Does anyone besides me feel horrified by this idea? Ancient abbeys should be preserved as is. Do not paint on the walls. Period.
oh yeah Robert, this mural will be getting me my premier membership to your site…finally. Things have been tight since the wild and heavy hurricanes of 04 and then this depression but things are cooking just fine right now. Been waiting to get on your list for several years…only two weeks to go now. ;-] why not do an article on good mural paints for outdoors with the UV coatings needed? Two I use are Mann Brothers and Modern Masters Theme paint (my fav right now).
i haven’t read the comments, but, like ‘sittingbytheriver’ i’m fairly anxious at the thought of you painting directly onto “ancient abbey” walls. as a former house painter, i know that painting directly onto any wall is a serious commitment – that if you will read the bio of John Singer Sargeant you will see may just blow up in your face. MUCH better to do the work separately and bring it there. they can always frame it out to make it part of the wall. and GOOD LUCK!
after reading these comments and re-reading the letter it dawns on me no mention was made of surface preparation. I assumed (several others may have as well) that it would be taken care of professionally but now see that may not be the case. It is important to deal with the existing wall conditions first before doing anything else. Not knowing what the situation is makes it impossible to be more direct in suggestions other than to say it must be treated in a way to allow the paint to stick. This may lead one to advise using the method of applying a previously painted substrate to the walls. I prefer actually painting on the walls but not in every situation. It would have the side benefit of preserving the ancient walls in their found condition.
Firstly.. is it inside or outside? And secondly, the nature of such a historical building would or SHOULD preclude ANY painting on walls. If a false wall can be erected a few inches off the actual wall, you can paint or glue a giclee on that. Exactly what happened with the mural I created for the Historic Houses Trust here in Sydney. No way was anything going to be permanently affixed to the wall!
I was just recently in a prestidious art show which included a collection of Dali’s lithographs and some originals, I suspect Dali was used as bait. We were a group of 30 artists of a higher standard if I may say so. One artist had digitaly projected paintings of original photographs from well known oldie filmstars eg M. Monroe, which were hand touched up as one sees now and again. At the end of the week a prize was given to peoples(visitors choice) He got 2nd prize! Well, here it shows what the general public feels comfortable with! I am disapointed as all the ORIGINALITY from the other artists were not truely appreciated
Had to smile at the couple of comments that one should not paint on the ancient walls. Europe is all ancient and our time plays a part as important as any other. If nobody painted on ancient walls we wouldn’t have much of the art that we have. our time is as important as ancient past. That’s the way we think here…
‘Just keep going — no feeling is final’. Lovely, and just what I needed to hear!
I just want to thank everybody who took the time to respond. It was very interesting to read through all the messages, although the project was misunderstood. I am not working directly on the wall of this wonderful building so my problems are of another sort, but a couple of people wrote about projectors they have used and how they used them and I got some ideas there.
I can’t find a good projector that is clear and bright to project my photographs on canvas to paint. I currently don’t use a projector when working from my pictures but there are times if an image is complicated I’d like to land some reference points. I’ve bought two that really are inadequate. Help!
I’m all for projecting drawings or smaller studies up to make a larger sized work, but even using scaling up by hand, the larger work often suffers with a rigid and soulless look until I depart from my original study. Projecting photographs may look cool for beginning artists, but after looking at art for years and years, it is very obvious when a painting has been done from a projected photo. The average unsophisticated person might think it’s really cool that a painting looks “just like a photograph”, but how many of these folks plonk down more than $40. — for that painting? Believe me, art collectors, museums and most art galleries know one when they see them. As artists, we strive to express our inner souls, and the most direct way usually reaches others emotionally also, from upscale art collectors to the man in the street.
I did one mural with a grid that I made from stacking milk crates (she just happened to have about 7 in her basement) against the wall and tracing around them, then “lifting” or re-sketching the sketch that was on non-repro blue gridded tracing paper. It turned out great!
Spirit watercolour painting by Olivia Marie Braida Chiusano, FL, USA |
Loved your painting.